Why several forum posts of @tpr has being deleted?

If someone is banned then the reason is known by the user and the mods but if mods had the supreme power of banning anyone then why is public here for?
If Mods are saying the truth then what is the problem to tell the public?

I never got a warning when I was chatbanned. Lichess just dumps stuff on you for no reason. This site is great but it can be irritating sometimes.

@biscuitfiend #79 I can relate. I've already asked for clarifications on the tos before (specifically on advertising) but mods said just to report. How would you know who is innocent when you are just "asked to report" and you are never entirely clarified or told when exactly to do so?

Mods should at least let people know when they are chatbanned. It only makes sense. At least give a short reason such as "multiple reports of spamming" or "trolling here: <forum link>" or the sort. People should be allowed to defend themselves, not just appeal for a reason that they don't even know of.

We can't just say "sorry generally" like we are made to and accept a higher chance of appeal accepted. In fact, that reduces appeal likelihoods.

And now that I am saying all this, I am worried that I might be chatbanned. Please, lichess, just reveal the reasons at least to the person alone when that person is banned. Revealing the reason for the ban and letting that person tell others in the community to help get an unban is entirely normal.

However, this brings up a new problem. If the mods did reveal the reason for a chatban, the forums would be clogged up with "I didn't know this" and all sorts of defenses. However, this is not a problem - appeals may actually work in that case, even better than they do now.

Yes, I know that you may have to spend a little bit more time every day, but a 10-second quick reason goes a long way.

Or at least, warn people first, then chatban.

We deserve to be informed.

I believe Lichess would be a better place if the only reason that can make you chatbanned is if you make a post that breaks the law [edit: or if you make obvious spam and wouldn't stop].

Now Lichess is owned by thibault and not by me, so how Lichess should be administred is entirely up to thibault, and what I personally believe doesn't matter.

I am free to leave Lichess if I find a better chess website, but so far Lichess is the best option. I am also free to design a new chess website according to my own beliefs, but I don't have the skills neither the time required to do it.

So I'll just stick around and pray that it gets better.

@FC-in-the-UK Yes but lichess should give a reason to the player why he/she is banned. There are so many places that dont do that but all I see there when it comes to bans is general discontent by the playerbase. People want reasons.

You already get banned for posts that break the law. We want to know how we did so.

@A_0123456 I agree with you, but then again, that is entirely up to thibault. You can use Lichess feedback forum to suggest improvements though.

There seems to be quite a lot of misinformation in this thread that should be cleared up:

In this case, the user _has_ been told the reason for the chat ban, and was warned beforehand.

@JohnLuke090904 yes in your case you did not receive a warning, this is not ideal and in general users are warned first.

@A_0123456 "well-known forum posters have been banned and then unbanned on appeal shows that something fishy is going on"
A successful appeal, where a user understands their mistake and agrees to change behaviour, and receives a second chance, shows something fishy?

@mvz3 Forum posts are automatically unfeatured after 50 posts.

Lichess is not a government, websites are not required to have freedom of speech. Users agree to adhere to the rules of using the site. I understand that it's frustrating from "the outside" to not know the reasons for moderation decisions, but the alternative of sharing these reasons would in many cases be the same as publicly shaming the user in question. I'd be happy to discuss suggestions for real improvements, but sharing individual user details will get us nowhere, only satisfy personal curiosity.

@somethingpretentious at least is it possible for you all to share why the person was banned to the person himself? sometimes, someone gets a warning then forgets about it for a week or so then commits the same offense. this is a frustratingly common issue. and if the person is well-known, the person can then share the reason with ease to the many curious people who, for example, created this forum. or at least add it to the FAQs for someone to check lichess DMs for warnings.

Edit: What I mean by this is after the 2nd warning that leads to the ban.

First of all, I do not know anything and I do not have something to do with it.

As a mod in a parallel universe I’ll try an educated guess which can be wrong of course.

Example: imagine that s.o. writes a hundred times every day to every single concrete question „Capa says openings don’t matter“, „Don’t play games before you have mastered KBN vs K“, „Blitz is evil“, „My System beats everything“ „Old books > new books“.

Cross- and double posting in a persistent way can be regarded trolling. It‘s like an old-fashioned chat box, you insert a coin and you know what is yet to come. Probably simply too much of the same contents, day in, day out. It looks like advice but it becomes spam soon.

Like this, is it really helpful? Or a nuisance? lichess.org/forum/game-analysis/analyze-this-3

Last but not least, I do not know anything and I do not have something to do with it.

@A_0123456 You make good points (and counterpoints). After thinking a bit longer, I now think the issue in this specific case has another layer of subtlety. (I admit, this post might be reading too far into the situation.)

The user in question definitely has a pattern of behaviour which people have come to expect. A lot of his posts followed a kind of "format": if analyzing a game, for example, he would point out mistakes, leave comments on those individual moves, quote famous players, and say little else besides. Lichess has terms of service which, while occasionally a bit vague, are not hard to follow in general, and none of tpr's posts that I have seen ever came anywhere close to violating those terms of service (unless there's something I missed in the TOS). As someone who has been on the forums for a long while, it's utterly inconceivable to me that he actually violated the TOS. By which I mean, I literally cannot think of what he could have done; to violate the TOS would surely require behaviour so far outside of his modus operandi that it's really hard to believe it actually occurred. I think other people in the same thread have the same reason behind their shock. (Edit: While I was writing this, sarg0n made their post above this. They make a fair point.)

And yet, lichess - or, the mods representing lichess - is asking us to believe it occurred. Implicitly, community members are being asked to choose who to believe: a single visible person, who they trust on the basis of thousands of publicly available forum posts; or a group of invisibles, who claim to be acting for the best but refuse to reveal their intentions or even hint at their reasons.

The fact is that even if tpr has done something wrong, lichess's own policies have put them in a tough situation when it comes to retaining the trust of their userbase. I'll believe them when they ban the accounts of titled players on the basis of opaque statistical analyses; I'll believe the fact that the mods generally do good work, and that the site would be much worse off without them (probably it couldn't even function without them!); I'll certainly believe them when they say that lichess and all of its services will be free, forever, for everyone. But that tpr is in the wrong here? That one gives me pause, to say the least.

I admit I do not have a constructive suggestion for how to improve this. Just trying to clarify why this has caused such a ruckus.